Comments on: bĂ©rub-a-duba-gate http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213 Earle: "Garland, what do you fear most in the world?" Briggs: "The possibility that love is not enough." Thu, 09 Sep 2010 04:56:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Dr. Juice http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213&cpage=1#comment-99282 Dr. Juice Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:04:29 +0000 http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213#comment-99282 To clarify: most misunderstandings are a product of projection. Insofar as all meaning is, fundamentally, a projection, the trick is to discern how far one should and should not "project." We all overshoot. To clarify: most misunderstandings are a product of projection. Insofar as all meaning is, fundamentally, a projection, the trick is to discern how far one should and should not “project.” We all overshoot.

]]> By: Dr. Juice http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213&cpage=1#comment-99261 Dr. Juice Sun, 04 Oct 2009 20:03:15 +0000 http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213#comment-99261 From J. Laplance and J.-B. Pontalis, <EM>The Language of Psycho-Analysis</EM>, trans. Donald Nicholson-Smith (New York: W.W. Norton, 1973), pp. 349-356: <BLOCKQUOTE> <B>Projection</B>: In the properly psycho-analytic sense: operation whereby qualities, feelings, wishes or even 'objects,' which the subject refuses to recognise or rejects in himself, are expelled from the self and located in another person or thing. Projection so understood is a defence of very primitive origin which may be seen at work especially in paranoia, but also in 'normal' modes of thought such as superstition. . . . In <EM>psychology</EM>, 'projection' may denote the following process: . . . The subject perceives his surroundings and responds according to his own interests, aptitudes, habits, long-standing or transient emotional states, expectations, wishes, etc. </BLOCKQUOTE> From J. Laplance and J.-B. Pontalis, The Language of Psycho-Analysis, trans. Donald Nicholson-Smith (New York: W.W. Norton, 1973), pp. 349-356:

Projection: In the properly psycho-analytic sense: operation whereby qualities, feelings, wishes or even ‘objects,’ which the subject refuses to recognise or rejects in himself, are expelled from the self and located in another person or thing. Projection so understood is a defence of very primitive origin which may be seen at work especially in paranoia, but also in ‘normal’ modes of thought such as superstition.

. . . In psychology, ‘projection’ may denote the following process: . . . The subject perceives his surroundings and responds according to his own interests, aptitudes, habits, long-standing or transient emotional states, expectations, wishes, etc.

]]> By: Mike Hogan http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213&cpage=1#comment-99233 Mike Hogan Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:41:41 +0000 http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213#comment-99233 You're a class act, Josh. You’re a class act, Josh.

]]> By: Dr. Juice http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213&cpage=1#comment-99138 Dr. Juice Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:31:25 +0000 http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213#comment-99138 Point well taken Mike. You're right. I'm sorry. Point well taken Mike. You’re right. I’m sorry.

]]> By: Mike Hogan http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213&cpage=1#comment-99136 Mike Hogan Sun, 04 Oct 2009 02:12:06 +0000 http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213#comment-99136 I think calling Berube a "huckster" trying to "pimp" his book qualifies as ad hominem. And dismissing his critique as "bullshit" seems a bit extreme, however you might try to nuance the term after slinging it at him. Words have consequences, Josh. Personally, I think "I'm sorry" would have been a better response, although I recognize that you have an obligation to your disciples to be combative and outrageous. Still, given the celebration of all-things-Josh on The Rosewater Chronicles, don't you think that accusing Berube of self-promotion is just a little bit hypocritical? I think calling Berube a “huckster” trying to “pimp” his book qualifies as ad hominem. And dismissing his critique as “bullshit” seems a bit extreme, however you might try to nuance the term after slinging it at him. Words have consequences, Josh. Personally, I think “I’m sorry” would have been a better response, although I recognize that you have an obligation to your disciples to be combative and outrageous. Still, given the celebration of all-things-Josh on The Rosewater Chronicles, don’t you think that accusing Berube of self-promotion is just a little bit hypocritical?

]]> By: Dr. Juice http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213&cpage=1#comment-99128 Dr. Juice Sun, 04 Oct 2009 01:01:46 +0000 http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213#comment-99128 Mike: I think this may be a case of the pot calling the kettle black. As I noted both publicly and in a detailed, private message to you: I attribute no motive--ill or otherwise---to you. You know I am similarly admiring of your work and your passion, not to mention your noggin. As for Berube, I think he is trying to sell a book. That's not a bad motive per se---we all want to sell our books! I just think the timing of a debate on cultural studies is a bit too late---more than a decade late! Finally: if there's an ad hominem above, please show me. Mike: I think this may be a case of the pot calling the kettle black. As I noted both publicly and in a detailed, private message to you: I attribute no motive–ill or otherwise—to you. You know I am similarly admiring of your work and your passion, not to mention your noggin.

As for Berube, I think he is trying to sell a book. That’s not a bad motive per se—we all want to sell our books! I just think the timing of a debate on cultural studies is a bit too late—more than a decade late!

Finally: if there’s an ad hominem above, please show me.

]]> By: Mike Hogan http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213&cpage=1#comment-99125 Mike Hogan Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:53:17 +0000 http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213#comment-99125 Just a quick observation, that I'm sure will inspire more 10,000 word blog entries. Josh: I have great admiration for your intelligence and passion, and perhaps this is where we're headed: exchanging personal insults on blogs rather than engaging in serious scholarly conversations. But I can't help but notice that you questioned my motives in forwarding Berube's essay to my friend Jim Aune, and now you seem to have some special insight into Berube's motives. Do you really know either of us? And are you really that confident of your narrative of the history of our discipline and of cultural studies in the academy? Raymie McKerrow just spend the week at Penn State, and at least he's willing to admit that his narrative of the history of the field differs from that of, say, a Marty Medhurst or a David Zarefsky. Perhaps you and your disciples ought to strive to be more open-minded. Honestly, I find this this whole discussion offensive, the digital version of the back-room gossip and academic politics that traditionally has stifled robust discussion of the important controversies and challenges that we face. Mike Hogan Just a quick observation, that I’m sure will inspire more 10,000 word blog entries. Josh: I have great admiration for your intelligence and passion, and perhaps this is where we’re headed: exchanging personal insults on blogs rather than engaging in serious scholarly conversations. But I can’t help but notice that you questioned my motives in forwarding Berube’s essay to my friend Jim Aune, and now you seem to have some special insight into Berube’s motives. Do you really know either of us? And are you really that confident of your narrative of the history of our discipline and of cultural studies in the academy? Raymie McKerrow just spend the week at Penn State, and at least he’s willing to admit that his narrative of the history of the field differs from that of, say, a Marty Medhurst or a David Zarefsky. Perhaps you and your disciples ought to strive to be more open-minded. Honestly, I find this this whole discussion offensive, the digital version of the back-room gossip and academic politics that traditionally has stifled robust discussion of the important controversies and challenges that we face.
Mike Hogan

]]> By: Jim Aune http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213&cpage=1#comment-98737 Jim Aune Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:03:19 +0000 http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213#comment-98737 There ought to be a name for intellectual movements whose insights get incorporated into a number of disciplines--perhaps "rhetoric" and "cultural studies" are similar in that respect. If, say, political scientists took political (and legal) rhetoric seriously we might not need to exist. Similarly, when intellectual history made its cultural turn in the 1980's we ended up with more robust sense of the historical past beyond the typical canon of great texts examined as if they were timeless. So in my Greenblatt-inflected version of cultural studies, we shouldn't look at influential texts in isolation from all kinds of "social energy" that circulates in popular arts, political discourse, the experience of the subaltern. And that seems precisely what you're doing with the "new publicity" from Jodi Dean and your own unique take on the popular as well as the marginal. (And note to Ken Rufo: perhaps it was failed irony, but I really was kidding about "writing badly," "Frenchness," etc. on the Blogora. My criticism of the current state of c.s. (mostly with the sudden canonization of deleuzoguattarian theory) is that it has come to neglect the role of political and social institutions (and, thus, the possibility of serious reform or revolution). There ought to be a name for intellectual movements whose insights get incorporated into a number of disciplines–perhaps “rhetoric” and “cultural studies” are similar in that respect. If, say, political scientists took political (and legal) rhetoric seriously we might not need to exist. Similarly, when intellectual history made its cultural turn in the 1980′s we ended up with more robust sense of the historical past beyond the typical canon of great texts examined as if they were timeless. So in my Greenblatt-inflected version of cultural studies, we shouldn’t look at influential texts in isolation from all kinds of “social energy” that circulates in popular arts, political discourse, the experience of the subaltern. And that seems precisely what you’re doing with the “new publicity” from Jodi Dean and your own unique take on the popular as well as the marginal. (And note to Ken Rufo: perhaps it was failed irony, but I really was kidding about “writing badly,” “Frenchness,” etc. on the Blogora. My criticism of the current state of c.s. (mostly with the sudden canonization of deleuzoguattarian theory) is that it has come to neglect the role of political and social institutions (and, thus, the possibility of serious reform or revolution).

]]> By: Shaunnessy http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213&cpage=1#comment-98568 Shaunnessy Wed, 30 Sep 2009 05:03:07 +0000 http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213#comment-98568 ...and putting this out there in a tenure year... Dude, your brass balls must clank when you walk down the halls. xoxo …and putting this out there in a tenure year… Dude, your brass balls must clank when you walk down the halls.

xoxo

]]> By: Shaunnessy http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213&cpage=1#comment-98566 Shaunnessy Wed, 30 Sep 2009 04:51:09 +0000 http://www.joshiejuice.com/blog/?p=1213#comment-98566 Amen, Joshie Juice. Amen. God bless us, interventionist students of culture, every one. Amen, Joshie Juice. Amen. God bless us, interventionist students of culture, every one.

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